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| by goki on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 11:18:49 PM | |  | 16 Subjects 242 Posts |
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Well maybe some people didnt understand fromthe start that killing anyone gets you on MWl and maybe because that it should be reset.But i think that this is very good system and i whould not change it.
I pvped with Goki and Romul at the time when all DR's were still around and guess what i never got on MWl or HEROS  .Its so simple to stay out of mwl so i dont get it and you do have a choise pvp on or off
at any time you want as long as you are neutral.LIke i said maybe some didnt understand that if yu gain 1 MWL and kill another you get even more so maybe a reset should be done but no change to the system that is my opinion.I belive that with this 1 we all can have fun with pvp and all be protected from abuse. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:21:33 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| basically the mwl needs a reset.before we found out how the system works,we had friendly pvp's testing damage tests etc.. then tried to kill pk'ers abusive people but later found out that all that did was rank us up there real high on the mwl without a chance to get off of it unless we quit playing for several months in order for the points to be dropped off. |
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| by "boboh" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 4:20:49 PM | |  | |  | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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| If they don't PVP, they can easily turn it off (if they don't PVP they have no MWL points, if they have MWL points, they PVP), unless there is more to your question, I don't see what the question is. |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:09:21 PM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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Boboh:I will agree that this system is more imposing on PVPers, but the system before this was way more imposing on non-pvpers.
Umm shouldn't the people who don't pvp have pvp off? Why would they have it on if they dont pvp? |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:06:58 PM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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Why do GM's tell players if they dont want to be killed turn pvp off then?
Can't be abused when the player has pvp off can it? Simple choice there any complaint made about people turning thier pvp off or on and them killing that person. When all that person had to do was turn pvp off. But if you have friendly pvp's in front of the temple its not possible. I've gained 45 mwl points in a single day just having fun in front of the temple with friends. Again i say your limiting anyone who pvp's. Thought i was very clear in my explanation. People who complain about people killing them in anyway can stop it by turning pvp off. That is unless they had some friendly pvps and got on the MWL and whats really sad is the heros have to wait also. |
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| by "boboh" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 11:34:30 AM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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No your suggestion wasn't clear, sorry.
off or on is annoying boboh and if people dont want to be killed turn your pvp off.
If they are not on the MWL, which is easy to stay off. They can turn PVP on/off pretty much anytime they want, with little to no waiting. If you are on the MWL list, well the point is, you shouldn't be turning your PVP off, you want to PVP/PK.
Just make it so anyone can turn it off or on.
??? Look, you forget the constant and regular abuses when we did have it this way? You know how many dozens of plays we lost to abusive players when the abusive players could turn it off and on when they wanted to? I do, I have all their emails.
No, we use to have it this way, and it was constantly abused, then by PLAYER SUGGESTIONS, times were put in, then by PLAYER SUGGESTIONS the times were reduced for those not on the MWL.
So now your making more people have thier pvp
off jsut for events so they can lvl.
I think the point here is you're unhappy you can't turn your PVP off because you're on the MWL. That does not translate to the rest of the players on the server. The vast majority are not on the MWL and can switch as they see fit. But what you are also not realizing is that there is all kinds of past evidence that proves you wrong int this, all kinds of abusive play by people who turned PVP on off at whim and would abuse others.
There are dozens of examples that show how this protects players. The primary reason most people keep their PVP off is not the MWL, it's abusive PKers, which most have left, so you will most likely over time see people turning PVP back on.
However, things change on a server, that's why we have periodic votes and I would be willing to put it to player vote to reduce or even get rid of the wait times for pvp switching. What you have to come to terms with is that this system evolved this way due to player requests. |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:22:11 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| thought my suggestion was pretty clear i also made another in the past but we know how that went too. But the waiting to turn pvp off or on is annoying boboh and if people dont want to be killed turn your pvp off. Just make it so anyone can turn it off or on. I don't see how there can be abuse when both people can have the option of turning thier pvp off.But if your on the hero's list or mwl you can't do so and thats where the problem comes in. I kill some newb in just about every event im in due to my aura or him walking in front of my arrows. Doesn't hurt me none but it prolly sucks for the person i jsut killed for the fact i can''t turn off my pvp ever. So they either have to turn off thier pvp if they can just cause of me so they can lvl in the same area. So now your making more people have thier pvp off jsut for events so they can lvl. |
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| by "boboh" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:51:45 AM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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And let me expand then the choices,
1. All PVP on.
2. All PVP off.
3. Hybrid system.
3a. with current system having changes.
3b. new system to control abuses.
Lots of choices, lots of room for suggestions. I did not mean that things are the way they are and that's it. I meant that the options are as above. Not that we are on the the current system and that system can't be adjusted or even replaced. |
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| by "boboh" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:50:06 AM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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There are 3 choices as I stated.
If you want to stop certain people from abusing it make thier pvp stay on for a while dont punish everyone for a few bad people
The problem you don't see is that it can't always be proved who did what when, the issues get conveluted, players lie, the logs don't show everythign, etc. So a set of rules, like the current MWL has to be in place to treat everybody fairly. If it's left to GMs to make judgements everybody is going to claim favoritism, or like has happened, they will vote for settings like they are so as to avoid having GMs make mistakes, etc. Why do you believe it's so cut and dry? I relize you beleive one person is abusive, but what about the other side of the story, etc. on and on. It's already happened.
It is the solution we have, it's not perfect but proposing that GMs take it over is far less so.
I will agree that this system is more imposing on PVPers, but the system before this was way more imposing on non-pvpers.
If you have a hybrid system that allows switching, you have to have a system simular to what we have. I'm open to any suggested new systems, or adjustments to the current. We have fewer abusive players on now, maybe a more leinient system is in line, however, that's not for anybody to demand, it's something that would require a vote. The system the way it is, has been developed that way.
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:37:20 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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grr boboh you said this
The choice is, PVP everyone on, PVP everyone off, or a system that controls a hybrid. There are no other choices, right now we are on the latter.
Then you tell us to send you suggestions right after telling us there are no choices. And i jsut gave you a very simple one. And its the same thing that every GM tells every player when they complain about being killed. All they have to do is turn pvp off. Both the pker and the victim have the same options here. And your punishing the people who pvp because of it. If you want to stop certain people from abusing it make thier pvp stay on for a while dont punish everyone for a few bad people.Also these same people usually have more than one account so they can abusive it in the same way your talking abbout that way also. This solves nothing especially when you can just higher a killer to do it for you. This isn't a solution its only limiting everyone who ever pvp's. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:09:57 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| by "boboh" on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:05:30 AM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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No, that has nothing to do with it, your statement was concerning how many people that left and are here voted for the current settings. This can not be determined either way, ie you can say that the majority that voted for the current settings are no longer here, but it could be said that those that are here are a majority of those that voted and are still here because it's what they want. Neither case can be made.
I'm not disputing that people left. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:58:49 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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proof either way that many have left?
lol have you forgotton who your talking to ?
i used to play 24/7 hell look at what time it is now.im on all hours of the day and all days of the week.
i know almost all the players especially the old ones.i know the ones that have sold the accts,gone t,w,th,went to other servers or just other games period.
and i wont be able to vote on the next go round lol im waiting to not be able to post any minute lol.i do have one acct that has not gone t,w,th yet but all the others end tonight.im not sure why i renewed them all at the same time i thought. |
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| by "boboh" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:47:00 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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Doesn't matter who voted, the votes were done by members of this server over time, maybe many of them are in fact still playing and stay here because of it, you can't have proof either way, so to bring it up as a point in fact is not valid because it can't be proven either way.
However, I am always up for voting, and yes, it may be time for a revote on settings. I have no problem with that. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:38:21 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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proposed by the players that are left and have left,gone inactive,etc...
maybe a revision or revote etc.. |
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| by "boboh" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:16:47 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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| The choice is, PVP everyone on, PVP everyone off, or a system that controls a hybrid. There are no other choices, right now we are on the latter, if you can propose a better method, then please do. The current method is the one proposed by many others over the time. |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:13:42 PM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| Heres the proposed deal boboh. And i quote GM's " If you dont want to die turn your PVP off". This should be allowed for people on the MWL and hero list. It's a very dumb idea that none of my archers can lvl with other players around unless were grouped. And when your grouped with a higher lvl mage you dont get much exp. PArt of all this that is being said has nothing to do with pvp or the mwl your limiting people to only lvl with other players that have pvp off. We can prove to you in anyway you want the mwl means nothing to any player and only makes a hassle for players in different ways. You are punishing anyone who pvp's plain and simple. Agaain come in game and talk about this with me and other players and GM's. |
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| by "boboh" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 6:44:32 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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There have been far too many abusive uses of turning it on/off, which you all forget, because the system helps address that.
Since our server is mixed, SOMETHING has to give, that means, that we either go, all on, all off, or if mixed, there has to be delays along with some having the inability to turn off PVP altogether. This is the middle ground. There are no other choices, unless somebody can propose a detailed system that takes everything into account (or detailed adjustments.)
Remember, much of this has been discussed, much of the current system addresses problems you no longer are forced to endure, forgetting those problems means the system is working to some extent. But if you want changes to the system you must account for the abusive problems involved. |
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| by "AnonymousArcher" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 6:09:32 PM | | | 39 Subjects 345 Posts |
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| lol i left my pvp on because once you turn it off your screwed if you want it back on,for friendly tests or to defend sum1 or atack sum1 but the point is if you want to lvl with sum1 on mwl and want to turn yours off lol guess what its just the same as if you were on the mwl. |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 4:35:59 PM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| bump again due to another ranking system coming out. |
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| by "Grim Luke GES" on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 7:07:42 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| by "grim luke GES" on Saturday, December 10, 2005 - 9:55:57 PM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| hehe soon to be only 2 heros on the list now, ones a Brutal and one is a Dr. This list really working? |
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| by DaniooPass on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 9:19:57 PM | | | | | 1 Subjects 10 Posts |
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*edit*. But very close |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 5:35:15 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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*edit*
btw grim your not quite a DR yet  |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 5:34:20 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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there is a quote from the most wanted list that is incorrect and needs to be fixed.
Also those who slay these killers will be noted here as well, with a positive notation.
needs to say if your neutral or on heros list.then and only then will it be noted with a positive notation.because as we have found out if your on the mwl even with just "1" pt and you slay the most notorious abusive pk'ers in the game you dont get +pts but even more "-" mwl pts. |
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| by "grim luke GES" on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 9:26:31 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| lol hey red im in the upper part. hehe Grim Luke the notorious pk. This should be all the proof needed to show the mwl is useless and pointless. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 4:18:01 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| just look at the current mwl pts upper part of the list is pretty well defined. |
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| by "Warm Apple Pie" on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 12:12:29 PM | | | 14 Subjects 493 Posts |
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It is not as if there isnt server opinion on players?
It really wouldn't be that hard, just with a little common sense. GM could ask someone if they accepted being a villain and boom, there we go. Nomination->Acceptance. |
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| by "boboh" on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 10:49:53 AM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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| Yes I saw this suggestion, however, I don't think that we want GMs being in the middle of deciding this kind of thing. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 5:27:57 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| by "Warm Apple Pie" on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 1:57:52 AM | | | 14 Subjects 493 Posts |
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| You sir, are a scoundrel! |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:40:56 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| hey wap what do you think a gm would classify me as? i have 73 mwl pts i quit playing this char trying to get them down but 73 more days to go without defending myself or testing with friends or just killing a notorious bad guy like yourself. |
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| by "Warm Apple Pie" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 11:12:44 AM | | | 14 Subjects 493 Posts |
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Just want to make sure boboh see's this:
"I have one interesting suggestion. Keep the MWL the way it is now for simply the pvp on/off ability. But to increase the RP rolls, have the GM's decide who will be bad/good and put them on their appropriate listings. Im sure we all know eachother well enough to decide who would be on what.
Im sure I would not be on the Hero's list, and I am fine with that, I RP a villain, if I play."
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| by "grim luke GES" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 8:17:53 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| *coughs* 99% of my mwl points are from friendly pvp and killing pkers and annoying people when they asked for it.And look how many mwl points i have from that without even trying. Prolly 90% of them were on the mwl. %50 of the kills are from killing pkers alone.The mwl is useless and my pvp has been on ever since lvl 3 as a human on all chars. I dont really see how changing this list would create abuse with a max of 30 people on maybe 5 with pvp on. Arn't we always told to turn off pvp if we dont want to be attacked in the first place. I hardly see how you can call it abuse when the the whole server isn't pvp on. I think people just want something fun made out of it cause its meaningless to 99% of the people on the mwl as it is. Were hungry for somethin new and its thanksgiving Bring on the turkey! |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 7:45:18 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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thats not a bad idea either but there would have to be some serious programming to be able to release yourself when you wanted to play vs when your mwl expire.what if sum1 had 100 pts and only wanted to be jailed for 5 days,how would he get released if he still had 50 pts left?
i really like the idea of jail time for faster removal of mwl pts.i also like the idea of absolution but only be able to do it once a year maybe?and only on gold accts.
also another idea is that people below 100 mwl pts should have a faster reduction as per say the "real" notorious killers with tons of mwl pts.
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| by "Peroxide-A" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 1:59:06 AM | | | 6 Subjects 19 Posts |
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I've had an idea, dont know if it is possible but here it is anyway, why cant people on the mwl voulenteer themself's to go to jail for a peroid of time 1point=1hour/day/week whatever, this way it would keep the "Most Wanted" part of the game as "Most Wanted" are usually wanted by the law by giving yourself up for jailtime you would loose points faster than atm. This way there can't be much abuse that i can see, only people who want to be off the mwl would put themself's in jail.
Let me know what u all think 
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| by "Joubarc" on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 1:32:44 AM | | | 4 Subjects 166 Posts |
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Well in the past there used to be 'heroes' and 'baddies' but the distinction wasn't really meaningfull as some top heroes were just as bad as top baddies.
Now at least we're sure every real PK is on the MWL list... at the cost of having innocents there which isn't exaclty nice.
Just a thought, Boboh, could we keep the current system, but change the point at which you change switch PvP? Maybe lower that to, say, -50 (MWL side thus) or something; so for low-rank PKer there is a more decent possibility of redemption.
Another approach IMHO would be that if people on the MWL want to switch to PvP off, this has to have a cost; why not say that for each MWL point, someone who wants to be off has to spend a day (or week) pvp off? So someone who has, say, 50, could switch off but not switch back on for 50 days. Or weeks. Or wait until his MWL points are back to 0 (which is similar). Or on the contrary, freeze his MWL points during that time.
Disclaimer: I'm not doing PvP and barely even know what it is; so maybe what I say has little sense; these are just random thoughts.
Something else for you Boboh though: If someone wanted to seriously design an alternate solution, they would need PvP logs. At the moment, obituary only gives back 15 days, and in a not-so-useful format. Would it be possible to keep more of these logs online, and let them be accessible in a raw form (flat file)? Either for players who request them for that purpose, either for everybody, since I don't think there is any secret in there...
Remember than to prove the efficiency of a different system, it's best to feed it with appropriate (real) data for a long period; 15 days isn't really enough.
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| by "Warm Apple Pie" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 11:39:15 PM | | | 14 Subjects 493 Posts |
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I don't care one way or the other, but I will not this:
"I don't know that accelerating it is necessary, after all, anybody that has racked up hundreds of points absolutly knew what they were getting into, right?"
This does not make it inherently correct. We do not assume things are right because they are known. This point is null, IMO.
As for Slevia's reply, I agree with her. Self-Defense must be accounted for if we are to have actual hero's.
I have one interesting suggestion. Keep the MWL the way it is now for simply the pvp on/off ability. But to increase the RP rolls, have the GM's decide who will be bad/good and put them on their appropriate listings. Im sure we all know eachother well enough to decide who would be on what.
Im sure I would not be on the Hero's list, and I am fine with that, I RP a villain, if I play.
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| by "Slevia Brutal" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:27:25 PM | | | 5 Subjects 184 Posts |
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"The maximum Honorable points earned per day per killed is 2 points.
The maximum Notorious points earned per day per player killed is 10 points "
how some players can be a hero? it's too difficult, we can win only 2 point per day on a caracter, but we can lose 10 if a neutral come and try to kill you.
an honorable player lost 4 points per kill on neutral or honorable players.
It's why we can't be a heros. Too hard to get point, too easy to lost all. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 7:30:43 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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well my main point is i got on mwl playing with friends and yes i have more than one lol.even if i killed several 2 or 3 times theres 14 pts right there and then back when the dr's were here i killed a bunch of them,and a few of my friends again,i know with friends like me who needs enemies,lol.but that racked up enough i couldnt get off the list as i was under the assumption that killing mwl gave hero pts.but no longer so i basically screwed myself.i seek absolution.i want to be able to kill mwl people and have hero pts,not just to turn my pvp off lol i mean why my chars are finished and i dont lvl so why would i need my pvp off?
anyway i hope boboh wins the lottery and can retire and devote full time to t4c  |
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| by "Jackal-A" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 6:46:04 PM | | | | | 44 Subjects 622 Posts |
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| by "Jackal-A" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 6:45:01 PM | | | | | 44 Subjects 622 Posts |
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| my suggestion would only benefit people that for whatever reason genuinely want off mwl for whatever reason, i personally dont have any toons on wither side of the list so i dont have a vested interest |
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| by "boboh" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 6:32:25 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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At this point you loose 1 point per day (on days you don't register a kill).
You have to get over 10 to be considered notorious.
That means 11 kills before you are on the MWL, if you have 17 you just don't kill for 7 days and you're off the list again.
It's fairly liberal in my opinion but maybe it needs to be higher (faster). I don't know that accelerating it is necessary, after all, anybody that has racked up hundreds of points absolutly knew what they were getting into, right?
But, what is the point to getting off the list? Only one I see, and that's to be able to switch your PVP on/off. For somebody that has more than 30+ points, is that really important for them, seems that at that point (or near too it) they pretty much are into the PVP/PK aspect. Unless they were involved in some kind of event off the gladiator island, or out of the mule halls (both of which don't count against the MWL.)
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| by "Jackal-A" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 5:17:36 PM | | | | | 44 Subjects 622 Posts |
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well since the thread my previous thought was in most likely got deleted ill re-speak.
this is all in a general sense and very open to refinement, that aside general idea is this, once u r on the MWL u currentley lose 1 pt per day provided u dont kill anyone, so u dont kill anyone for a week u lose 7 pt's. in my theory after 7 days yould lose 2 pts per day, 14 days 3 pts per day and so on. up untill some predetermined cap. (and the multiplier doesnt have to go bye week can be every 3 days, 4 days, w/e) now in some cases it wouldnt be fair for someone trying to get off mwl to have some random individual trying to be a hero (no pun intended) attempt to PK them and they defend themselves and up with another mwl pt, at which time your "multiplier" would get reset to 1 a day and continue on its progressive path. IMO 90% of "hero's" arent much better than the "Notorious" in regards to intent, but the new system has eliminated that particular aspect. In general thats my thought, a sort of reward for good behavior if u will |
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| by "boboh" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 4:13:25 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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Good ideas are considered, many times not implimented due to time constraints, there is no full time T4C staff, T4C does not generate the resources to do so.
When you "bitch" sometimes what you are actually doing is reminding me, I often forget because I have other fires to put out, unfortunatly (trust me, I would rather do T4C things 100% of my working time, it just is not even close to economically feasable, unfortunatly.) |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 3:19:38 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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| yeah good ideas dont count unless they get "CENSORED" and complained about,as i have proved on many other posts.takes a majority of people for them to listen to ideas seriously.i even posted about the mwl system way back. |
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| by "Jackal-A" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 2:15:54 PM | | | | | 44 Subjects 622 Posts |
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i previsouly brought up a progressive system for losing MWL points and it got brushed off  was even told it was a good idea and worth looking into, but it never happened |
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| by "boboh" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 12:07:23 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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Oh, and for lower level killing higher level, yes, good idea, would be fun and maybe promote some grouping, etc. However, again, easily abused. So I don't know that it would be viable.
(side note, on the MWL page, at the bottom it lists how points are gained/lost, time frames, etc. Yes it's not easy to loose points, but those time frames can easily be adjusted so this may be a good discussion. Maybe these time frames are a little to strict.) |
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| by "boboh" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 12:05:17 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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The point to the system, I think you've all forgotten. It was to help limit abusive players. The point is really that most of the players that have MWL points do not care that they have them, because they will PVP/PK all the time and never turn off PVP. Those on the lower end that PVP/PK occasionally want to be able to turn on/off their PVP so they can enjoy it when they want. And since the current system is so liberal at the low end, nearly all down there have fun, while not being forced to deal with abusive PKers. And the final result of the current system is that it keeps the abusive PKers (for the most part) from being able to use the PVP ON/OFF system as a loophole to do more abusive actions.
In the past you lost negative points for killing notorious people. The problem with this is again, abuse, it was easily manipulated, friends would let other friends kill them so they could become honorable when they were not. Then they would use that standing to be abusive.
What it looks like to me is that this is more of a request for a more "realistic" system. I agree that we've had systems that were simpler/nicer to work with, but unfortunatly, they also required a little more honorable (following basic rules) play from players. Although 90%+ of our players played honorably, it only takes one abusive player to throw off the whole system, which is what they did.
It may very well be that the reasons for the current system have gone away, the system may have actually got rid of most abusive play ability and that's why this discussion has come about now (remember this "new" system is nearly 2 years old now, maybe more.) But we need to be careful when considering the changes, as it could allow for backsliding. For example, I thing giving honorable points to notorious players for PKing notorious players is not viable, it's to easily abused (as proven in the past).
(definition - By abusive I mean that they would do things outside the game scope to cause negative game play for others, for example, logging on a high level toon, turning on PVP to PK somebody repeatidly, then logging off, turning off PVP and logging on their low level toon to xp in the area they chased off the victim. This is not intuiative to role/game play. There are many more examples of manipulative actions.) |
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| by "Peroxide-A" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:43:15 AM | | | 6 Subjects 19 Posts |
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i think the way it was when i started worked better than the way it does atm, kill a hero u get notorious points, kill a neutral u get notorious points and if u kill notorious u get hero points that way u can get off alot faster than waiting weeks and weeks |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 10:39:00 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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there ya go boboh theres 2-3 ways the mwl could be improved.you have any other ideas to throw in?
jarl? dev team? gm's? |
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| by "grim luke GES" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 9:37:40 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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| would also cause low lvls to group and try to kill higher lvls. Would be alot more fun that way for higher lvls that like to pvp and would be a more realistic example of showing whos good in pvp by getting hero points for killing a higher lvl char. Be nice also if we could get both notorious points and hero points since the low lvls would be tryn to attack high lvls they should be able to defend themselves and still get some kind of credit without losing hero points. just a thought tho could be done in many many ways. The mwl has no meaning really tho and this would give it some and show who kills more high lvl chars with their lower lvl. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 8:47:10 AM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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i like the idea of getting points for killing lower lvls and maybe hero points for killing higher lvls.seems logical.might also be a good way to lower the mwl points from killing notorious pk'ers.maybe every 6 months have a mwl reset lord knows we used to have enough server resets or time warps why not a mwl warp lol.
long live the queen.how do i file chapter "absolution" is that like filing bankruptcy? lol |
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| by "grim luke GES" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 7:42:30 AM | | | 11 Subjects 202 Posts |
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mwl means nothing to me jsut keeps me from turning pvp off which im not gonna do anyways would be nice if the mwl actually meant something. Like if you got mwl points from killing people lower lvl than you and getting hero points for being able to kill a higher lvl char.Could be more fun getting points then. |
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| by "Bruce Willis BA" on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 6:15:30 AM | | | 8 Subjects 163 Posts |
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If your from Canada, you can ask the Queen to absolute you from your crime and erase your criminal record and set your MWL to 0.
Bruce |
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| by "Warm Apple Pie" on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 10:05:38 PM | | | 14 Subjects 493 Posts |
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| The only reason the MWL is still around in its form is becuase people don't want mass pvp'ers going pvp off. Find a way to achieve this in a different, more suitable method, and I think you will find a very enabling admin, in Boboh. |
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| by "RedScorpion ges" on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 9:41:28 PM | | | 31 Subjects 871 Posts |
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easy there boboh lol
i agree with him and ATM i dont have a solution either so....
heres my complaint.i quit playing trying to get my mwl down but doesnt seem to be going down very fast and no way to make it go any faster by killing any1 or doing any thing for that matter.just no pvp with friends or notorious pk'ers or any type of killing.doesnt seem to take long to get on it but forever to get off.
i havent seen hardly any1 on heros list in years.
i fail to see why "HE" has to bring up a solution to a problem he feels needs posted.he posted the problem for all to come up with a viable solution. |
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| by "boboh" on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 5:05:01 PM | | | | | | | 154 Subjects 1,654 Posts |
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This was discussed and done the way it is, a long time ago.
All things are open to discussion, and so is this, however, if you are going to bring it up, you must bring up solutions as well, suggestions, ideas, etc. All you've posted is a complaint, which has no resolution. |
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 | by jason_y2k2k on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 1:36:36 PM | | | 6 Subjects 19 Posts |
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ok i dont think the mwl works does any1 agree? u get on it and the only way to get off is wait, i killed mwl people and just end up with more points didnt seem very good method to me. |
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